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Published on June 2, 2004 By KarmaGirl In Politics

I am sure that many will disagree, but it appears to me that it is an easier stance to be on the political left than on the right.  It seems like you hear more people on the left calling people on the right "fascist" and other terms, or tend to think that the right is stifling the "free speech" of the left.  People also equate the liberal left as the "humanitarians" of the world, while the right is only out to protect themselves.  Draginol has pointed out the many things that Republicans have done for Americans.  I wish I could remember the whole list, and I hope that he will enlighten me again so that I don't forget anything.  I also notice that a lot of lefts point out what political stance another person has, but not many rights do.  Maybe rights are just more open minded than lefts?

But, I'll just leave this disorganized rambling with a definition from www.wordiq.com (I don't know why I find it amusing, but I do.....It may have to do with a line a read on JU where somebody said that they remember when "Liberalism" was called "Socialism") :

 Encyclopedia  Definition: Left-wing politics 

In politics, left-wing, political left, or simply the left, are terms which refer (with no particular precision) to the segment of the political spectrum typically associated with any of several strains of socialism, social democracy, or liberalism (especially in the United States sense of the word), or with opposition to right-wing politics.

The terminology of Left-Right politics was originally based on the seating-arrangement of parliamentary partisans, during the French Revolution. The more ardent proponents of radical revolutionary measures (including democracy and republicanism, but often including also governmental terror) were commonly referred to as leftists because they sat on the left side of successive legislative assemblies. As this original reference became obsolete, the meaning of the terms has changed as appropriate to the spectrum of ideas and stances being compared.

The term is also often used to characterize the politics of the Soviet Union and other one-party communist states, although many (perhaps most) on the political left (even including some who call themselves Marxist) would not consider their own politics to have anything significant in common with those of these states. Similarly, most anarchists consider themselves part of the political left, but many others on the left would reject that connection.

 


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on Jun 03, 2004
Then you can suck my cock.


Saint Ying - as much as I love what you have to say... ending anything you say with statements like that only harm the fight, and lower Brad's opinion of any argument we present.

As much as I would love to say JU is a level playing field, it isn't because, Brad is the mod - let me just say, JU is a better place for having you around, and I want to keep you around, however, with remarks like that, you make it difficult for us all...

BAM!!!
on Jun 03, 2004
Saint Ying - as much as I love what you have to say... ending anything you say with statements like that only harm the fight, and lower Brad's opinion of any argument we present.

As much as I would love to say JU is a level playing field, it isn't because, Brad is the mod - let me just say, JU is a better place for having you around, and I want to keep you around, however, with remarks like that, you make it difficult for us all...

BAM!!!



okay, okay, I take back the last comment. I admit it was rather lame, and definately not my style... too playful, too arrogant, and not informative enough. My belief is, as always, that Brad and his followers will only decipher the truth with their wounds, not with their minds. But my statement wasn't hurtful, it was just... stupid.

My appology to Brad for my lameness, although I still would have no problem if a jumbo jet accidentally landed in his bedroom.
on Jun 03, 2004
if i seemed to be down on goldwater its unintentional. barry goldwater was an ethical man who acted on his beliefs. i admired him when he was alive just because of statements like the one you quoted. theres no national neocon figure willing to defy the mullahs and imams of the religious right despite knowing most intimately (because they subject themselves to it in return for support) the extent of an abberation they brought into being.

on Jun 03, 2004

 

Brad and his followers will only decipher the truth with their wounds, not with their minds.

Yes, because Brad is like Jesus in many ways, and people follow him like a God.  Brad has followers?  Man, he should write a book or something.

My appology to Brad for my lameness, although I still would have no problem if a jumbo jet accidentally landed in his bedroom.

That type of statement has no place on my blog.  Refrain from saying such things on my blog, or stay off my blog.  I wish no harm on anyone, and expect the same respect to people when they visit my blog.  Plus, don't be a hypocrite.  Don't act like you care for mankind then say crap like that.  That puts you in the same league as people who think it is OK to kill doctors because they oppose abortion.  Try a bit of common decency- you will find it goes a long way.

on Jun 03, 2004
...And there goes another one... Saint Ying's been exiled.
on Jun 03, 2004

Saint Ying posts from PoliticalMachine.com which we have a bit more lee-way on.

That said, ironically I was not referencing Saint Ying at all in my commnets about liberals but he does happen to fit the left-wing mold.  He's very intolerant of other people's opinions despite his obvious ignorance on many issues.

In fact, if one were to survey JoeUser.com, the volume of abusive behavior is overwhelmingly delivered by people who are proudly left wing. Besides Saint Ying wishing for the death of his opponents and swearing at them, you have Gothic Impulse who yesterday called someone a "bitch" for essentially having right of center views. There's Mikimouse who has nothing but contempt for those who don't share his views along with many others over the mnoths who become incredibly abusive to those they don't agree with.  Don't forget Valleyboyabroad, Randy Spire, who make their contempt known.  And of course you have the various people who have posted how disgusting it was that they "kissed a Republican" or a little while back how one blogger was disgusted to learn that a girl she liked also liked George W. Bush.

On the right, there's Marvin and AnthonyR but I don't recall them name-calling individuals or hoping for their opponents to die.

The rank intolerance seems pretty one way.  Someone can certainly point out where I'm wrong on this. I don't recall seeing "Yuck, I kissed a Democrat" or right wingers writing how they hope blogger X gets run over by a truck and so on.

Hence, I think it's easier to be left wing because left wingers tend to not feel like they need to control their impulses. They just let it all fly.  Of course, when their irresponsible behavior catches up to them in one form or other they inevitably complain about how unfair everything is and how people who succeed in life are just "lucky".

on Jun 03, 2004
I think one notices the abuse more when it's aimed at one's own side.

If you haven't noticed Marvin calling people names, you haven't been reading his posts. (Which is probably a good thing.)
on Jun 03, 2004
Brad: So he's been exiled for a while? I just checked now, thought that happened because of his comment here...?

Intolerance is only displayed by the left here? There's a lot of things that I associate with Marvin and Anthony R. - tolerance is definately not one of them... I recall several personal attacks from them, although, in all fairness, none about wishing harm on any specific person here. And they're not the only ones, you too have a pretty condescending attitude towards several people here. Personally, I don't mind, but fair's fair.

We don't see eye to eye when it comes to politics (understatement of the year), but there should be rules and they should apply to everyone.

Impulse control? Well, I've stepped out on several occations but usually I see less self-constraint among the right-wingers here, from my point it certainly seems easier to be right than left.

It's always been easier to be among the powers-that-be than in the opposition, so why should JU be an exception?


on Jun 03, 2004
following that election, conservatives regrouped and began a very successful effort to portray themselves the victims of a huge liberal media effort to crush them. their success led to a triumph of image over substance that corresponded with the ascent of the 'new conservatives' and culminated in the nomination of ronald reagan


This is a typical left-wing mantra. Conservatives didn't gain popularity based on their ideas, they used brainwashing and conspired with racists and criminals to get power.

on Jun 03, 2004
Draginol, just look at the media. Who do right-wingers supposedly idolize? Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coultier, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity... Fire breathing, impulsive, and insensitive? You bet. Quit being so damn hypocritical. Everyone plays the same game, only at this forum, Anthony R. and Marvin Cooley aside, you conservatives are rather tame and subservient... which is proper, because we keep you in an intellectual stranglehold.
on Jun 03, 2004

I never realized that the actions of another can justify my actions. I guess since Hussein tortured his victims, the U.S. is completely justified in torturing theirs.


Also, I don't know of anybody here who idolizes any of those individuals you mentioned, just like I don't know anybody here who idolizes Michael Moore, John Kerry, Fidel Castro, and Osama bin Laden.


Polarization is not a virtue. Polymerization is.


As for the intellectual stranglehold, it is possible that the conservatives are outmatched, but when many of the liberals rant much more visciously than the worst conservative here, then one can only assume that they're trying to gain distance with vice that they cannot with reason. I'm also sure that there are liberals out there ashamed to have you within their ranks. I know I'm ashamed when somebody full of hate and prejudice sharing my views.

on Jun 03, 2004
Michael Moore, John Kerry, Fidel Castro, and Osama bin Laden


haha
on Jun 03, 2004
Saint Ying: I'm talking rank and file individuals here. Not who you imagine their heroes are.  Look at your own postings. Everytime you flame someone or patronize someone or show your intolerance you make my point for me. There are intolerant people on both sides but on a day to day basis, it's the left that's the most shrill and most abusive. I've seen it on the net and we see it here on JU.
on Jun 03, 2004
Saint Ying- User Points: -1010 Wow.....people must really agree with you
on Jun 03, 2004
Corio - I don't wish my opponents physical harm and I don't call them profane names. Sure, I'm patronizing. That's a trait both sides have in common. But I'll put my tolerance up against the next guy. I haven't zapped Saint Ying have I? He's well on the road to being zapped but not for his political views.
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