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Traditions are odd things....
Published on November 30, 2004 By KarmaGirl In Misc

Christmas is an interesting time of year for me.  I’m not Christian.  I’m not any “religion”.  That is not to say that I am atheist, because I am not.  I just haven’t decided yet what I should believe.  But, with that, I end up questioning everything.  One of my biggest questions for winter is: “Why do we celebrate “Christmas” and why do we associate certain things with it?”

 

This is *not* an anti-Christian article.  It’s an article about history and tradition.  Many things have evolved over time, and “Christmas” is one of them.

 

-Jesus was not born on Christmas day, or really even close to it.  According to some bible scholars, he was born on September 29th, 4 B.C., others believe he was born in the Spring.  It's not believed that he was actually born on Dec. 25th of any year.

 

-Christmas trees really have nothing to do with Christmas.  They have been used as far back as we can tell for Solstice and Equinox celebrations.  Many religions used them as a way of praying to the “sun god” as a way of making him feel better.  (During the dark times of year, they thought that the god was sick and that evergreens would help the god get better). 

 

-On the Christmas tree note, the trees were not cut down.  Branches were removed, or the entire tree was moved.  When they started being brought in side, they were planted in planters then brought in.  They were used as a celebration of life during the “death” of winter.

 

-“Yule time” has nothing to do with “Christmas”.  It is a Norse tradition that pre-dates Jesus.  It was celebrated on the 21st of December.

 

-The 12 days of Christmas is from the same “Yule” tradition.  They would burn a giant log (Yule log) and feast and celebrate while it burned.  This log typically took 12 days to burn.

 

-It is believed that the Christian church adopted the 25th as the official celebration date of Jesus’ birth as a way of absorbing the traditions of the Saturnalia festival, which was a pagan festival which honors the God of agriculture “Saturn”.  The 25th is also the day that Romans observed Juvenalia, which is a celebration of the children and the birthday of Mithra, the “god of the unconquerable sun”.

 

-Christmas wasn't declared a federal holiday in America until June 26, 1870

 

-During the Middle ages, Christmas was celebrated by attending church then celebrating in a drunken fashion, not unlike “Mardi Gras”. (Now, *that* is a tradition we should bring back! )

 

There are many other traditions surrounding Christmas that are “odd”.  If you think of any that you don’t understand, let me know and I’ll see what I can dig up on them.  And, if you have some other info on it, reply with it.  I’d love to learn more!

 


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on Dec 01, 2004
Some may say that holidays like "Hanukkah" would be considered "major"
That was the example I had in mind.
on Dec 01, 2004
We celebrate Christmas we all these traditions because we've grown somewhat fond of them. Trees and white Christmi (plural of Christmas... lol) may be Pagan in origin, and although I personally could do with Christmas trees (they're more trouble than they're worth, in my opinion), I know many people hold both as dear as I hold the latter.

Christmas, if I may be so bold as to suggest, is no longer a Christian Holiday, but a Commercialist holiday. No retailer could hesitate to agree that traditions are always good for the market... people spending money en masse... what a dream for the entrepreneur! That said, I think that many people treat it as sacred, and I don't mean to offend them with this assertion.

And yet one more disclaimer: I don't mean Christmas being commercialized. As long as the stores stay out of my house and when it comes to Christmas morning I can celebrate the pseudo-anniversary of my savior's birth in heavenly peace, I'm content.

Dan
on Dec 02, 2004
Some may say that holidays like "Hanukkah" would be considered "major"


Chanukah is considered a Festival...not a major holiday.
on Dec 02, 2004

Chanukah is considered a Festival...not a major holiday.

You could say that "Christmas" is a Festival, also.  I don't know any people who celebrate it that only celebrate it on one day.

What about "Rosh Hashanah"?  Is it only "major" and considered a "holiday" if it is Christian?  We have made "national" holidays around Christian beliefs because that is what the majority of the country is.  However, what is considered "major" would depend on your beliefs and how you view it.  Unless, of course, you think that the government should have the final say in what we should individually feel is "important"

on Dec 03, 2004
What about "Rosh Hashanah"? Is it only "major" and considered a "holiday" if it is Christian?


It is a major holiday which celebrated the creation of the world. It was celebrated long before the Christian religion was started, celebrated by Jesus as well.
on Dec 03, 2004
I don't mean Christmas being commercialized.
---Dan Kaschel

Well, Christmas has been commercialized, and for some time at that. I've seen newspaper ads from the 1800s advertising Christmas sales with "Father Christmas" graphics.
Gift-giving is, of course, and integral part of the holiday It symbolizes, of course, God's gift of Divine Forgiveness through the gift of his Son.
Where are we going to get the presents if not the stores? Even if we all MADE all our gifts to one another, the materials would still have to be purchased somewhere, after all. For this reason, though I may grumble about it, I don't entirely begrudge the stores their commercialization of my favorite holiday. I just ignore it as best I can, and enjoy and reflect on the spirit in which the day is celebrated.
Now, if I were to see an ad that said "Baby Jesus sez: 'Smith's has the best buys for my birthday!' " ----I would have to take exception to that.
One of my favorite images of the last few years was a Christmas card I received that had Santa Claus, his cap off, kneeling before the manger. That said it all for me.
on Dec 03, 2004
It symbolizes, of course, God's gift of Divine Forgiveness through the gift of his Son.


Strictly speaking, it actually represents the gifts of the wise men(remember, Christmas symbolizes Jesus' birth, not his life in general), but on your other points, I agree.

Dan
on Dec 04, 2004
Strictly speaking, it actually represents the gifts of the wise men(remember, Christmas symbolizes Jesus' birth, not his life in general), but on your other points, I agree.


I'd always learned that it was to symbolize God's gifts to us in His Son. Oh well, whichever; it works either way.
on Dec 05, 2004

Maybe Christians should give "Santa" the boot and start believing in "Kris Kringle". Even though the US uses "Kris Kringle" and Santa (and St. Nicholas) all to mean the same, Kris Kringle is not the same.  Kris Kringle is a corruption Christkindl ehich means "Christ Child". In Germany, "Santa" doesn't deliver gifts, it is the Christkindl who brings gifts on Christmas Eve.

Being removed from an organized religion, I sit back many times and think "everyone is believing in the same thing, they just have different names for it".  I know that Christians believe that you have to take Jesus as your savior to be "saved" and go to heaven, but people believed in "God" before Jesus walked the Earth.  So, who isn't to say that God made many ways to worship him and all of them are right?  It seems like if there is a God, then God would not have made just one path to heaven.  God would have made many.

St. Nicholas, Santa, and Kris Kringle are all the same belief.  The image that we view the belief in is different, but in the end, it is really believing in the same thing.  Who isn't to say that believing in "God" isn't the same?

on Dec 05, 2004
Time to share a cute story....
As you might know, I live in Israel, am Jewish and do not celebrate Christmas. I have some neighbours that have two young daughters. They went (on their own) to visit their grandparents in Toronto last year, around this time. They were greeted at the Toronto airport by Santa Claus, who of course gave them candy.
They asked their grandfather who "that nice Rabbi was". He told them that it was Santa Claus, a nice man that brings toys to Christian children on Christmas eve. Told them that the children hang up stockings and in the morning they are stuffed with toys and candy, but emphasised that he does not visit Jewish children.
The children were back home by Christmas.... they hung stockings near the window and wrote a note in large letters (in Hebrew)...
Dear Santa, WE ARE NOT JEWISH!
I thought that was precious.
on Dec 06, 2004

First, from what you say, it appears you are agnostic.

Second, the Christmas tree does have religious overtones.  It was used by A german Minister to demonstrate eternal life (evergreen - eternal).

Third, I had heard that Jesus was born in August, but with the Calendar shift in the middle ages, we are probably both right.

Which all eads me to rejoice that Christmas can be for all religions and creeds.  FOr it is the message that is important.  Not the Birth of Christ (and I will probably be branded aheretic for that one).

So let us celebrate the message: Peace on earth, goodwill towards man.

on Dec 06, 2004

Okay, so there are no evergreens in Bethlehem.

Ever heard of Lebanon Cedars?

on Dec 06, 2004

Well, I am meaning Halloween, Christmas, Valentine's Day, and Easter (when I say they had pagan origins). Am I missing any "major" holidays? (besides the aforementioned Thanksgiving and The 4th).

Actually, Easter has its roots in the Passover feast, which was solely Jewish.  I am not positive, but I dont think that Christians consider Jews to be pagans, so that one is not based in Pagan rituals, but in the Old Testament.

on Dec 06, 2004
Lots of Pine trees in Bethlehem
on Dec 06, 2004
Actually, Easter has its roots in the Passover feast, which was solely Jewish. I am not positive, but I dont think that Christians consider Jews to be pagans, so that one is not based in Pagan rituals, but in the Old Testament.


Yes, but it also has roots in the Equinox, which was a pagan festival.



Being removed from an organized religion, I sit back many times and think "everyone is believing in the same thing, they just have different names for it". I know that Christians believe that you have to take Jesus as your savior to be "saved" and go to heaven, but people believed in "God" before Jesus walked the Earth. So, who isn't to say that God made many ways to worship him and all of them are right? It seems like if there is a God, then God would not have made just one path to heaven. God would have made many.


Agreed, Karma. An all-knowing and powerful God would realize that different people need different ways to reach "Him."
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