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inspired by a WinCustomize.com thread
Published on May 21, 2004 By KarmaGirl In Current Events
On WinCustomize.com, there is a thread "thanking" the President for our gas prices. A lot of non-US people were commenting on how the US actually has cheap gas compared to most everywhere else.  (Which is mainly because we produce over 50% of our own gas and can refine the rest ourselves).  Gas prices seem absolutely crazy, but here is my response to their post: 

The gas problem is going to be a long term problem.

First, you can not blame Bush or the US government for gas prices.  Crude oil prices are set by OPEC.  They will raise prices just because they *think* a shortage may happen.  Unless the US wants to go to war with the world, we aren't about to over throw OPECs decisions.

Second, we keep having a higher demand.  More cars.  More driving.  Less fuel efficiency.  The EPA wants to make sure we have very clean air.  They make tighter and tighter restrictions on emissions every year on both cars and fuel refinery.  Funny thing is- the higher the emissions standards, the worse the gas mileage.  You need more fuel.

Third, refineries keep closing because they can meet emission standards.  The EPA has gone so insane that it is almost impossible to build a new refinery so companies just don't.  We have lost about 30% of our refineries in less than 20 year.  However, our demand keeps growing but our refineries can't keep up.  Europe's gas is quite expensive because of this.  They have to outsource almost all of their refining which costs a lot since all of them are already running at 99%.

Fourth, the people don't want more fuel efficient vehicles.  How many people do you know that drive a diesel car?  A Jetta TDI will get 50mpg (that is real life trial- I had one).  Diesel fuel is $1.79 per gallon here versus $2.09.  Doesn't take a math wiz to figure that one out.  How many hybrid Honda civics do you see on the road?  They are available, but they don't have the horsepower of a full gas engine.  They don't sell well.  These factors tell the car industry that we don't want alternative fuel so they aren't spending the money on research.

But, here is a bit of math for you to see that gas prices aren't as bad as people really think.  Yes, it costs more per year, but I think until it gets to $3.00 a gallon people can deal with it if they use a little common sense and quit over reacting.

Here is the scenario (which is real life because it's my car).  A Monte Carlo SS gets 28 miles per gallon.  It is driven 29,000 miles per year  (I will round that to 1035 gallons per year because I don't want to deal with decimals).  Here is what it costs per year to drive at different amounts (I will start with a gas price that we haven't had in years and end with one that could happen):
$1.35/gallon: $1397.25
$1.50/gallon: $1552.50
$1.79/gallon: $1852.65
$2.00/gallon: $2070.00
$2.10/gallon: $2173.50
$2.25/gallon: $2328.75
$2.50/gallon: $2587.50
$3.00/gallon: $3105.00

So, the difference in gas from a few years ago ($1.35) and now ($2.10) is $776.25 per year more.  Since the national average mileage per year is less than half of what I drive, that means that the average consumer is seeing an increase of less than $388 per year (at current prices).  In comparison, if you were to buy a fast food lunch 3 times a week at $3 more than it would cost you to pack a lunch, that would cost you $468.  Heck, even a $1.50 coffee 5 days a week costs $390.  Smoke?  The yearly average for that is $2,000 per year.

So, pack your lunch, make your own coffee, and quit smoking.  Buy a fuel efficient vehicle the next time you need a car, and don't sweat the gas prices.....yet.


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on May 22, 2004
Yea, it's a bit hard to feel sympathy for people with SUVs who don't like the gas prices.
on May 22, 2004
Diesel fuel is $1.79 per gallon here versus $2.09.


Wow ..I would be so happy to pay that.

In my part of Aus we pay around 95 cents per litre.

Jess
on May 23, 2004
Before people start freaking out about a gas shortage, a gas crisis and ridiculous prices.....they should educate themselves. Kharmagirl apparently has and in doing so has taken a sensible approach and view on this subject. In inflation-adjusted dollars we were paying more for gas back in 1979-1981 when Jimmy Carter, a democrat, was in office than we are now. So who's in office is irrelevant. The world's economies are going through a recovery period and increased demand for gas coupled with increased prices by OPEC is what has raised the price of gas, Not G.W. Bush. Finally because the OPEC countries have no other real source of income, prices will come down or they will drive themselves out of business if countries do resort to alternative fuel sources.

As for me personally, I drive a full-size 4WD pickup and public transportation is out of the question. I live in a rural part of New Hampshire, where this is no public transportation, hell I can't even carpool, because I have to leave for work at 3:30AM. Considering the weather, 5-months of the year, the distance to work and the fact that I don't even have curbside trash pick-up, a 4WD pickup is a sensible vehicle for me. I'm also in a house now and the additional hauling capability is beneficial. In comparison, a few years back when I rented an apartment in an urban area, I drove a small FWD car.
on May 24, 2004
we were paying more for gas back in 1979-1981 when Jimmy Carter, a democrat, was in office than we are now

i bought a new 79 280zx in dec 78 and i could fill the 20gal tank for about 15$. today it would cost me roughly 46$.



prices will come down

as reported by bob woodward, the saudis announced yesterday theyre going to start producing more oil to reduce the us price in time for the election

on May 24, 2004

think of how much money developing a new fuel will make you!


Ethanol?

on May 24, 2004

Ethanol is far from being a new fuel source.  Ethanol s also not fuel efficient at all.  Currently, gas can not have more than 10% ethanol (except for some California boutique gas, but their fuel systems are set up for emissions differently and can handle about 12% ethanol).  Ethanol oxygenates regular gas and makes it burn cleaner.  Ethanol on its own burns very hot and fast, so it is hard on the mechanical components of your car and also is not fuel efficient.  (The ethanol blends are less fuel efficient than straight gas, too.)

What really would help is a hybrid diesel in a standard size car.  You would be able to transport your family and still get 70+ mpg.  Right now, the only 4 door car that has a hybrid in it is the Honda Civic.  However, it has very low hp, only gets about 45-48mpg (you can get a diesel Jetta that gets 50+ mpg with more hp) and costs more than the standard civic.  If they had that same car with the same hp as a Civic and had a diesel instead of a gas hybrid, you would have a very economical car.  We also could spend more time on diesel technology.  Diesel is a less effort fuel source.  It is much less refined than gas, so it isn't as much of a refinery burden.

on May 24, 2004

KingBee: Ever heard of inflation?

http://www.chartoftheday.com/20030827.gif

 

on May 24, 2004
Average Unleaded Gas prices (Not premium)
Nominal Price (what you paid back then)
1979 - $0.90
1980 - $1.25
1981 - $1.38
1982 - $1.30
Real (1996 Dollars - based on inflation)
1979 - $1.73
1980 - $2.18
1981 - $2.21
1982 - $1.96

and from 1983-2000 there was a general decline in both nominal and real prices with 1998 at a nominal $1.06 and a real (1996 Dollars) $1.03 average price....data is available through 2002 with a nominal price of $1.36 and a real (1996 Dollars) price of $1.23. Without figuring for inflation for the last two years, today's nominal price of $2.03 would be around the real (1996 Dollars based on inflation) price of $1.84, probably less, around $1.74-$1.76, based on trends from 2000 to 2002, if you add in the inflation over the last two years. And those numbers are based on an average nationwide for an entire year, not just a summer spike for a few months.
on May 24, 2004
THE BIGGER PICTURE:

When gas prices stay or elevate over the next 6 months, two things will happen: Inflation, Recession.

Ask any contractor how much they are loosing in fuel expenses alone with the current rates. Last winter, my gas bill for my home ran $180/month and I fully expect it to hit $220 this year. You are naive if you think that only cars run on gas.

Lastly, while Joe User will claim that this is not Bush's fault (even though it partially is considering OPEC is not the only factor), I'm sure he will give Bush credit once the prices go down.

House of Bush, House of Saud. Read it and learn.
on May 24, 2004
Karma, check this.

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me2.html

Apperently ethanol do need some adoption but runs just fine.
on May 24, 2004

OPEC sets the price for crude oil.  Read about how the US prices gas and other fuel based on crude oil.  We should be thanking Bush for keeping our fuel taxes under control.  Europeans aren't so lucky.  When crude oil prices go down (which is set by OPEC) so will our gas prices.  We do not control crude oil prices.

I use propane for heat.  It didn't cost me hardly any more (if any) this past year than it did the year before to heat my house.  The highest average propane for 2002-2003 heating season was $1.65 (March) for the 2003-2004 heating season it was $1.53 (February).  Natural Gas prices effect propane as much as crude oil prices do since propane is a byproduct of crude oil and natural gas refining. 

on May 24, 2004
1976 was the last year the US built a refinery. Fuel prices will continue to rise as long as our refinery capacity is maxed out as it is.
on May 24, 2004

XX, ever hear of alcohol burning funny cars? 

Do you actually understand the changes that the page says to do to run alcohol?  Also, they don't seem to cover the extremely poor fuel mileage that an engine like that would get.

Just the part where they are talking about jetting the carburetor to a larger jet size- larger jet means more fuel pumping through to make the same hp.  Or, how about the compression ratio?  High compression engines take more fuel.

There are very good reasons why we are not changing to ethanol

on May 24, 2004

1976 was the last year the US built a refinery. Fuel prices will continue to rise as long as our refinery capacity is maxed out as it is.

Yeah, factor in the fact that refineries keep closing, too.  (and, how can they build new ones with the current EPA standards?)

on May 24, 2004
Despite the sale statistics you've posted you have not convinced me that people don't want diesel cars or more fuel efficient automobiles. I think there are definitely some powers of what automanufacturers choose to advertise and what vehicles are affordable. I'd buy a diesel jetta wagon today if I could afford one...something like 55mpg....but our government has not pushed companies effectively to improve their standards so we are somewhat at a standstill.....or traffic jam.
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